Mafia XXIX: Game Thread

[Scruffington]

Welcome to EoFF Mafia XXIX: The Legend of Zelda Edition.


RULES


DAY PHASE

• The Day Phase is where each player is encouraged to discuss about the proceedings of the game and decide who to lynch (or if they will lynch at all).
• Every player is allowed to vote to lynch. To do so, use this format: [Vote Lynch XXXXX] or to change the vote, type [UNVOTE] before voting again in the next line.
• If a player fails to vote in consecutive Day Phases, they may be subject to mod actions (being replaced or modkilled).
• Day Phases last approximately 48 hours.
• Self-voting is permitted.

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NIGHT PHASE

• Unlike in past games, there will be no posting during the Night Phase.
• Night Phases last approximately 24 hours.
• Only the Mafia is allowed to communicate to each other during the Night Phase.
• If I do not receive any actions from players with abilities during the Night Phase, those abilities will not be performed.

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GENERAL RULES

• All game discussion must only take place in the official Game Thread (and the Discussion Thread). No private messaging or discussing the game out of these two threads whatsoever. The only exception to this is the Mafia, who can talk freely to each other.
• Editing or deleting posts is prohibited.
• If you're going to be absent for a long period of time (24+ hours), please PM me.
• You are not allowed to use any PMs I have sent you as evidence in the Game Thread. Example: Don't copy-paste your role PM if you're claiming to be a Vanilla Townie.
• Once dead, you are no longer able to post in the Game Thread, However, you can still post in the Discussion Thread (as long as you don't contribute anything that would affect the outcome of the game).
• It is highly recommended that all players use Invisibility Mode during the game. This will prevent users from seeing you messaging someone.
• We have an official Discord channel for EoFF, which the Mafia can use to add their partner if they wish.
• Character identities are not necessarily reflective of their real character's allegiance. All roles are randomly assigned to each character. For example, in this game Link might actually be mafia while Ganon might be town.
• Any Questions? PM me.
• Most important rule: Have fun!

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PLAYER LIST (8/9)

1. Karifean
2. Formalhaut
3. Fynn
4. Laddy
5. Citizen Bleys
6. Pumpkin
7. Squall Leonhart Loire
8. Slothy
9. sharkythesharkdogg

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ROLE LIST


Mafia Faction Roles
Win Condition: Outnumber the Town

(SPOILER)Godfather: Can talk freely with the other Mafia member. Chooses a target to attack each night. Your decision overrides whatever choice the other Mafia member makes. Can select which Mafia member performs the killing each night. Appears as innocent to the Sheriff.

Mafioso: Can talk freely with the other Mafia member. Votes to kill a target each night. Will be promoted to Godfather if the original Godfather dies.


Town Faction Roles
Win Condition: Lynch all of the Mafia members


(SPOILER)Sheriff: Investigates someone each Night Phase. They will be told that their target is a member of the Mafia (with the exception of the Godfather). All townies will appear as 'not suspicious' from investigations. Neutral roles will appear as 'may be suspicious.'

Doctor: Chooses one person each Night Phase to protect from dying. Can only protect themselves for one Night Phase.

Vanilla Townie (3x): A simple townie. No abilities. Your goal is to lynch the Mafia.


Neutral Roles (2x)
Win Condition: See Below


(SPOILER)Amnesiac: Remember who you were by selecting a role from the graveyard. Whichever role you select, that win condition becomes yours.

Survivor: Puts on a bulletproof vest to avoid attacks during the Night Phase. Wins by surviving until the end of the game.

Vampire: Converts others to the Vampire faction. Wins by outnumbering all other roles.

Executioner: Trick the town into lynching your target. If they do this, you win.

Jester: Trick the town into lynching you. If you get lynched, you win.

Witch: Control someone each night. Wins by seeing Town lose the game.

Arsonist: Douses a player in Gasoline during the Night Phase. Can ignite all doused players to kill them. Immune to attacks. Wins by being the last player alive.

Serial Killer: Can kill someone during each Night Phase. Immune to attacks. Wins by being the last player alive.

[Scruffington]

Game Timeline


Day Phase 1

Day Phase 1 Begins

Halftime (Voting History and Tallies)

Pumpkin (Jester) Lynched, Voting Results


Night Phase 1

[Scruffington]

Day Phase 1 has begun.

You can now post.

Reminder that the Day Phase lasts 48 hours unless a majority lynch is reached. I'll be attempting to provide updates on vote counts every 12 hours.

[Slothy]

Hello all of you people who are here to do the thing and lynch the bad guys. I look forward to immediately lynching the wrong person with you all.

[Karifean]

Well this looks to be a fun game.

[Pumpkin]

Get in character, newbs

Kooloo-Limpah!! *Confetti*

[Slothy]

I am zant(?) but I never finished twilight princess so I don't know how to get in character. I'm also not sure acting villainous is going to help my cause so I shall remain in my current form of an adorable sloth for now.

[Fynn]

Just be battrout insane then

I'm Groose. The Gaston of the Zelda universe. So basically the exact opposite of my regular avi

[Slothy]

Oh okay. Battrout insane is my default mode bitches!

[Pumpkin]

Oh man I didn't even know that was a character!

YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT SET

[Squall Leonhart Loire]

I am a princess.

[Formalhaut]

Hey everyone! I'm... someone from the Legend of Zelda. Looking forward to catching the bad guys!

[Slothy]

Hey everyone! I'm... someone from the Legend of Zelda. Looking forward to catching the bad guys!

Won't even tell us your name? How suspicious of you.

[Pumpkin]

HE'S A WITCH

[Formalhaut]

I'm Ghirahim, if that means anything? Like, who the hell is this person?

[Pumpkin]

Oh, yeah, I haven't played Skyward Sword

[Slothy]

smurf if I know who it is. Even more suspicious!

[sharkythesharkdogg]

HYAH!!! HYEH!!!! HWAAAAA!!!!!

/smashes all nearby pottery and runs out.

[Pumpkin]

So we know who sharky is now

[Karifean]

oink oink

[Formalhaut]

So we know who sharky is now

He's a troublemaker, all right.

[Citizen Bleys]

##Vote: Slothy

Starting a massclaim, flavour or otherwise on D1 (leave alone page 1!) is profoundly anti-town. Scum already have an informational advantage, adding to it aids scum with no benefit to town.

WAGON OF JUSTICE GOGOGO

[Slothy]

Voting for me over a silly joke? Sad. Fake news. Failing Citizen Bleys subscriptions are way down. Dishonest media can't report fairly.

[Pumpkin]

Oh hi Bleys, who are you?

[Citizen Bleys]

multiball specAmnesiac: Remember who you were by selecting a role from the graveyard. Whichever role you select, that win condition becomes yours.
Early game, functions as a VT, since town is the largest faction. Optimal play for Amnesiac is to wait until late-game to choose a role when it is clear who is going to win. We need to make sure that faction is us. Since we're lynching scum D1, that should be easy

Survivor: Puts on a bulletproof vest to avoid attacks during the Night Phase. Wins by surviving until the end of the game.
Effectively a bulletproof townie except that they won't be willing to sacrifice themselves to save the town. May fakeclaim at L-1

Vampire: Converts others to the Vampire faction. Wins by outnumbering all other roles.
Same thing as a cult leader. In a 9p game, this means town is basically smurfed from the outset. Therefore, per Shaheed's Law, optimal play for town is to assume this role is not present in the game

Executioner: Trick the town into lynching your target. If they do this, you win.
Pretty unlikely for their lynch target to be scum, therefore the Executioner is best regarded as a scum role

Jester: Trick the town into lynching you. If you get lynched, you win.
If you pulled this role, you already won. A lyncher cannot be allowed to live to LyLo if town wants to win, since they'll look scummier than the actual scum and self-hammer, leading to a joint scum/jester win

Witch: Control someone each night. Wins by seeing Town lose the game.
A scum role who can't talk to the other scum. Eat rope, Witch

Arsonist: Douses a player in Gasoline during the Night Phase. Can ignite all doused players to kill them. Immune to attacks. Wins by being the last player alive.
Serial Killer: Can kill someone during each Night Phase. Immune to attacks. Wins by being the last player alive.
Basically the same role except that it's not obvious there's an Arsonist in the game D2. They're a bigger threat to scum than they are to town, so can optimally be ignored until both Mafia have been lynched

Should we follow the cop?No. The cop has a 1/8 chance to identify scum on D1. If they get a guilty, they immediately become equivalent to VT. Still the best target for a Doc protect if they claim and are not counterclaimed, but the cop is not as powerful as one might think. The cop cannot get a guilty on the godfather or any purple role, and if the godfather is lynched, they cannot get a guilty on anyone. Cop innos are worthless since they could be a godfather or purple role.

Since follow the cop will not work, no-lynching is also a great way for town to throw the game

[Citizen Bleys]

Oh hi Bleys, who are you?

I'm Citizen Bleys, and I'm lynching scum. Why aren't you?

[Pumpkin]

What does VT stand for?

[Citizen Bleys]

Vanilla Townie

[Pumpkin]

Oh okay, thank you!

[Laddy]

Hi, I'm Fi.

[Slothy]

What is with all of these characters I've never heard of? Is it because 2D Zeldas are my favourite?

[Laddy]

Tbh I know next to nothing about Zordlo

[Squall Leonhart Loire]

Tbh I know next to nothing about Zordlo

Me neither

[Fynn]

I'm Ghirahim, if that means anything? Like, who the hell is this person?

You are this guy



You are also battrout insane and have this weird sword fetish. Lots of weird but impressive tongue movement.

[Pumpkin]

So how do we catch the mafias guys

[Fynn]

I think we need to lynch someone. Bleys seems pretty lynch-happy so far, so that she suspicious I guess.

[Citizen Bleys]

So how do we catch the mafias guys

Step one would be for everyone to have a vote in play.

[Karifean]

I think we need to lynch someone. Bleys seems pretty lynch-happy so far, so that she suspicious I guess.

That's suspicious? Now that's suspicious. Because why would that be suspicious?

[Vote Lynch Fynn]

That's the proper format right?

Btw it seems I'm Kanon. Not sure I see the Zelda link but hey, not complaining as he's one of my favorite characters from-

oh wait, that was a G, not a K. Well. I'm a good guy though, so yay! (Also I've never played a Zelda game besides the first 4-ish temples of the original game, so I have no idea how this guy acts in practice)

[Fynn]

Note the nonchalant "I guess" though

But if all you have against me is flimsy reasoning, fine

[Slothy]

[Vote Lynch sharkythesharkdogg]

Why? Because that was my favourite collection of pottery that's why.

[sharkythesharkdogg]

Sheesh slothy. You smash one urn full of someone's mother's ashes and they get all butt hurt.

[vote lynch Formy]

He's too busy acting innocent and confused about his character. TOO busy. It's a distraction.

[Citizen Bleys]

[Vote Lynch sharkythesharkdogg]

Why? Because that was my favourite collection of pottery that's why.

RVS is over, people.

This needs rope.

[Slothy]

RVS?

Also, it was my five dead cats not my mother so I'm actually more butt hurt than if it was my mother.

[Citizen Bleys]

RVS = Random Voting Stage, where people vote at random to provoke reactions/jump-start discussion. Once RVS is over, votes should be serious.

[Pumpkin]

So Karifean is Ganon then?

[Fynn]

Still no reason for RVS to be over already. The game literally just started

[Slothy]

Sharky was quiet so not a totally random vote. And there's also next to nothing to go on day one, especially so far, so saying there shouldn't be any random votes to provoke reactions at this point is absurd.

[Pumpkin]

If everyone just votes randomly and others know they're just voting randomly and don't take it seriously, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of voting randomly to see the reactions?

[Slothy]

You'd think that. But eventually someone starts throwing around silly accusations like Bleys and things get real quick.

[Pumpkin]

Huh, interesting

*Confetti*

Or should I say...


FUN-FETTI

:D?

[Citizen Bleys]

Still no reason for RVS to be over already. The game literally just started

Day phases have a 48 hour deadline. We're almost halfway there and nothing has happened.

If Sharky is indeed sliding under the radar due to a scum role PM, it is more likely to be a purplescum role like survivor. Unless there's a vampire that we can lynch D1, I would rather hit redscum today.

[Pumpkin]

Plus he has work

If we're going to pick at people not being active, how about Laddy or Squall? They have also barely posted

[Pumpkin]

Or maybe people just have lives unlike poor ol Tingle here who only sells maps and extorts people for money

[Squall Leonhart Loire]

I vote Pumpkin.

[Pumpkin]

Oh no!

[Fynn]

[Vote Lynch Citizen Bleys]

[Pumpkin]

I [vote Lynch Squall Leonhart Loire] cuz he can't even follow the proper voting format. Just using whatever format all willy nilly. WELL that is not a world I want to love in

[Formalhaut]

Sheesh slothy. You smash one urn full of someone's mother's ashes and they get all butt hurt.

[vote lynch Formy]

He's too busy acting innocent and confused about his character. TOO busy. It's a distraction.

Too busy? I've barely posted anything because of work! And everyone else is posting about their characters (to varying degrees of confusion) so not sure why you have me painted. Hmm.

Honestly, I have my suspicions about Bleys. Sorry Bleys. Reason being is he is so knowledgable about the game and has an extensive library of acronyms. If he's town, then he's already a prime target for a Mafia lynch (because he's a power player if ever I saw one), which would eliminate a source of town stabilisation and direction right off the bat. If he's mafia, then he simply gains by controlling the town while appearing helpful.

Basically, I'm suspicious because an experienced town player would want to continue living to help others with their level of knowledge of the game. By appearing so wise, he's basically asking for Mafia to choose him as a priority kill at night.

Not voting yet though because 'he's too good' isn't exactly grounds, yet. I'm also suspicious of Sharky, but then that's purely because he voted for me out of the blue.

[Formalhaut]

So what do we have so far?

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Day One
Majority lynch is five

Slothy - 1/5 (Citizen Bleys)
Fynn - 1/5 (Karifean)
Sharkythesharkdogg - 1/5 (Slothy)
Formalhaut - 1/5 (Sharkythesharkdogg)
Citizen Bleys -1/5 (Fynn)
Pumpkin - 1/5 (Squall Leonheart Loire)
Squall Leonheart Loire - 1/5 (Pumpkin)

(Formalhaut and Laddy are yet to vote)

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Do tell if I've made an error. I'm used to the ##Vote system so it is very feasible that a vote has slipped pass me. I've included Citizen Bleys and Squall's votes despite not following the proper format: whether or not they stand officially is something else entirely.

[Formalhaut]

A scattershot, by the looks of it.

[Pumpkin]

Dats how Tingle likes it hehehe

[Squall Leonhart Loire]

Dats how Tingle likes it hehehe

[Citizen Bleys]

Sheesh slothy. You smash one urn full of someone's mother's ashes and they get all butt hurt.

[vote lynch Formy]

He's too busy acting innocent and confused about his character. TOO busy. It's a distraction.

Too busy? I've barely posted anything because of work! And everyone else is posting about their characters (to varying degrees of confusion) so not sure why you have me painted. Hmm.

Honestly, I have my suspicions about Bleys. Sorry Bleys. Reason being is he is so knowledgable about the game and has an extensive library of acronyms. If he's town, then he's already a prime target for a Mafia lynch (because he's a power player if ever I saw one), which would eliminate a source of town stabilisation and direction right off the bat. If he's mafia, then he simply gains by controlling the town while appearing helpful.

Basically, I'm suspicious because an experienced town player would want to continue living to help others with their level of knowledge of the game. By appearing so wise, he's basically asking for Mafia to choose him as a priority kill at night.

Not voting yet though because 'he's too good' isn't exactly grounds, yet. I'm also suspicious of Sharky, but then that's purely because he voted for me out of the blue.

Burden of Proficiency is a logical fallacy, particularly this early in the game, but after a night phase or two has passed, "Why is (insert player here) still alive" may well be a condign question to ask.

[Laddy]

Wat ez happenin

[Slothy]

Burden of Proficiency is a logical fallacy

Good thing he never used that fallacy then. Big difference between expecting an experienced player to want to stay alive and not immediately put a massive target on their back and suggesting you're scum because you haven't found enough scum yet.

I also kind of agree with his logic if you're town. If you are town then you're looking like a high priority night kill which is kind of silly of you. But if you're mafia you're going way out of your way to seem suspicious as smurf day one. I honestly am wondering if there's a jester at play already and if you're them trying to get yourself lynched.

I'm leaning towards not mafia for Bleys at the moment because jesus christ he's suspicious as hell. I have a hard time believing most mafia would be suspicious this early, but I'm keeping my battrout insane eyes on him.

[sharkythesharkdogg]

Link is busy at work obtaining hookshots and replacing water pumps, but he's watching ALL of you dangerous smurfers.

[Pumpkin]

Wat ez happenin

WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO KNOW

[Formalhaut]

Laddy's keeping a low profile at the moment. Not sure if he's deliberately hanging back or genuinely confused.

Regardless of confusion, it would be nice to hear what he had to say. Even if it's something like "I'm not sure about [x] but I have no clue why', it'll provide a good baseline. If nothing else we hear what others have to say, and that's generally a good thing.

[Citizen Bleys]

Burden of Proficiency is a logical fallacy

Good thing he never used that fallacy then.

Honestly, I have my suspicions about Bleys. Sorry Bleys. Reason being is he is so knowledgable about the game and has an extensive library of acronyms. If he's town, then he's already a prime target for a Mafia lynch (because he's a power player if ever I saw one)

This sounds like "I think Bleys is scum because I think he's experienced at mafia," and that's how I read it. That's a BoP argument.

It's actually quite charming because I'm VIVillage idiot-tier on mafiascum.

[Scruffington]

Day Phase 1 -Halftime-






VOTING HISTORY


Karifean -> Fynn

Formalhaut

Fynn -> Citizen Bleys

Laddy

Citizen Bleys -> Slothy

Pumpkin -> Squall Leonhart Loire

Squall Leonhart Loire -> Pumpkin

Slothy -> sharkythesharkdogg

sharkythesharkdogg -> Formalhaut



VOTE TALLY

Pumpkin - 1
Squall Leonhart Loire - 1
Slothy - 1
sharkythesharkdogg - 1
Fynn - 1
Citizen Bleys - 1
Formalhaut - 1

[Pumpkin]

Uh oh spaghetti-o

[Citizen Bleys]

Laddy's keeping a low profile at the moment. Not sure if he's deliberately hanging back or genuinely confused.

Do you see commonality between this and Laddy's scumplay in 2of4 Mafia?

[Slothy]

I feel like Pumpkin is trying to stay out of too much trouble as well. Though if I were Tingle I wouldn't want to draw any negative attention to my existence too much either. I mean just being Tingle is a lynchable offense.

[Pumpkin]

I'm just being Tingle, brah

[Formalhaut]

Burden of Proficiency is a logical fallacy

(Quote pyramid hidden; click to show)

Good thing he never used that fallacy then.

Honestly, I have my suspicions about Bleys. Sorry Bleys. Reason being is he is so knowledgable about the game and has an extensive library of acronyms. If he's town, then he's already a prime target for a Mafia lynch (because he's a power player if ever I saw one)

This sounds like "I think Bleys is scum because I think he's experienced at mafia," and that's how I read it. That's a BoP argument.

It's actually quite charming because I'm VIVillage idiot-tier on mafiascum.

To be clear: I'm not saying you are suspicious because you are experienced. That's a stupid argument. I'm saying I find it strange that someone who clearly seems in the know about things Mafia is pushing themselves out in the lead pack so soon.

I suppose I haven't considered the possibility that he's a Vanilla Townie who is making himself a target very early on to draw fire away from the Town power roles, which actually does make a kind of sense. Still slightly suspicious (but I always reserve a baseline of suspicion against gung-ho types) but i admit there are very good counter-arguments saying Bleys could trend Town. I suppose time and further discussion can tell.

[Pumpkin]

Or MAYBE he just knows a lot and wants to share his wisdom with us and hasn't really considered how it would make him a mafia target. Or he knows and just doesn't care or he knows and for whatever reason thinks it won't make him a target

[Citizen Bleys]

I'll settle the argument : I don't give a crusty trout if I'm NK'd N1 as long as town wins, and while I'm alive, I'm going to do as much damage to scum as I bloody well can. It's certainly better than trying to fly under scum's radar at the expense of forwarding my wincon only to get NK'd N1 anyways because one of the scum is one of the many people on this site who a) already knew I played a lot of offsite mafia, or b) know how to use the search function to find out.

[Formalhaut]

I guess he could be a power role in theory, but there's a fine balance between making yourself a target through activity and making yourself a target through inactivity. Not really sure yet with Laddy, which is why I want him to offer a thought or two. I will say he's not the most suspicious person to me, but lingering silence creates suspicion over time in my eyes.

While we're on an opinion-finding mission, does Tingle have any thoughts?

[Pumpkin]

I think it's still too early for me to know. I'm not leaning towards anyone at the moment, honestly.

[Formalhaut]

It's certainly better than trying to fly under scum's radar at the expense of forwarding my wincon only to get NK'd N1 anyways because one of the scum is one of the many people on this site who a) already knew I played a lot of offsite mafia, or b) know how to use the search function to find out.

That's telling. Could you elaborate? I should point out that some people playing are not familar with you, Bleys, and thus wouldn't know anything about you and Mafia. I guess they could use the search function to pour through your post history, but what would be the point?

Also, you point out 'one of the scum is...'. That's very specific.

[Pumpkin]

I am, however, accepting bribes

[Formalhaut]

Such morally bankrupt statements can only mean Tingle is Mafia, in my opinion.

[Pumpkin]

Or it could just mean that Tingle is Tingle

[Slothy]

Can I just say that most people are probably like me and:

A) wouldn't know you played offsite mafia and,
B) don't give any of the trouts required to motivate us to use the search function to see how experienced someone is.

[Laddy]

Jesus Bleys that was an ancient callback lmao xD

[Karifean]

If I got this right, Formy needs to vote for Laddy, then Laddy has to vote for me. That way everyone is equally suspected, riiiiiight?

And agreed, how experienced and skilled someone I haven't personally seen play before myself is... is something I'll find out by playing with them. That's all that matters, in the end ^^

[Laddy]

This idea of experience somehow being indicative of certain pkaystyles is very flimsy for either offensive or defensive purposes.

[Formalhaut]

This idea of experience somehow being indicative of certain pkaystyles is very flimsy for either offensive or defensive purposes.

True, but we shouldn't discount experience entirely. It can help support or question the motive behind certain movements or statements. It shouldn't form the sole basis of anything (and I'm not wasting time searching through various posts to find out, that's boring and dodgy), but it can't hurt to keep in the back of the mind. That's what I think, anyway.

[Citizen Bleys]

@Formy

It's certainly better than trying to fly under scum's radar at the expense of forwarding my wincon only to get NK'd N1 anyways because one of the scum is one of the many people on this site who a) already knew I played a lot of offsite mafia, or b) know how to use the search function to find out.

That's telling. Could you elaborate? I should point out that some people playing are not familar with you, Bleys, and thus wouldn't know anything about you and Mafia. I guess they could use the search function to pour through your post history, but what would be the point?

Also, you point out 'one of the scum is...'. That's very specific.

It only takes one redscum to either have been around for 2of4 when I posted a lot of theory or to be a new player who read over previous games while trying to formulate a plan of action. They could then inform their partner.

That doesn't apply to purplescum, of course, but I'm focused on hunting redscum first because I know for a fact that neither of them can win with the town, but there are multiple potential purplescum who are, in fact, able to win with the town.

P.S.: were you planning on answering my question?

Laddy's keeping a low profile at the moment. Not sure if he's deliberately hanging back or genuinely confused.

Do you see commonality between this and Laddy's scumplay in 2of4 Mafia?

@Everyone

Should we, by means of correct lynches or scum crosskills, eliminate redscum before LyLo, please for the love of whatever gods may be force a massclaim, preferably via the popcorn method outlined in the 2of4 Dead QT, Post #77. If the setup includes purplescum who can win with the town, they should claim truthfully and you may be able to work out a game-breaking strategy. (For example, if there are 2 purplescum claims, Survivor and Executioner with a non-Survivor lynch target, and you believe both claims, lynching the Executioner's target will result in all surviving players winning, including the Executioner's lynch target. An antitown purplescum is likely to claim VT or Survivor, so if you get two Survivor claims, lynch between them for a guaranteed town win with a 50% chance of the Survivor winning with the town. If someone claims Survivor and you don't believe them...well, you'll have to evaluate the gamestate at that time, I don't expect to be alive to help in a state like that since purplescum will definitely shoot at me once they're not afraid of redscum anymore)

[Citizen Bleys]

P.S. Nobody else answer my question to Formy before Formy does. In fact, as a general rule in Mafia, never answer a question directed to a specific player before they do, no matter how much you have to say on the matter.

[Fynn]

Honestly have no clue what's going on at this point

[Pumpkin]

I think Bleys wants some of the purple people (not town or mafia) to say who they are because some of them can win if town wins and then you can like strike a deal so that they win as well as town winning

[Karifean]

Does the game not just end when a player/faction can declare victory?

[Formalhaut]

Laddy's keeping a low profile at the moment. Not sure if he's deliberately hanging back or genuinely confused.

Do you see commonality between this and Laddy's scumplay in 2of4 Mafia?

I take it this was the question?

I find it funny that you say to people "oh one of the scum members have definitely read the archives" and then ask me to do homework on one of the previous games. Is prior research a scum-thing or a town-thing? I'm getting mixed signals.

Regardless, I did look at the Day One proceedings. Regarding commonality between Day One here and Day One there, he is more active in the archive game, particularly in the second half and contributes to some theories. This hasn't happened yet this game.

In terms of what that means? Hell if I know. I don't like looking at game history because it can lead you down some twisting roads. Laddy happened to be Mafia in the archive game. Does that mean an active Laddy is a scum Laddy? Who knows? It doesn't really tell us much. At the very least, examining just one archive game tells us squat. Way too small a sample size.

Not really sure what the point of this exercise is, if I'm honest. I feel like I'm being tested. The last time I was asked a direct question, I got voted for saying the correct answer (look it up!).

[Formalhaut]

We've not actually had a third-party yet in this new series of Mafia. I've never played a game (that I remember) which had third-parties. If I recall though, some moderators allow third-parties to 'win' alongside the main faction.

If a jester won Day One, that'd be a very short game, right?

[Pumpkin]

Laddy wasn't super active in the last game either and he wasn't mafia

[Pumpkin]

Yeah I think either mafia OR town wins and third parties win alongside them IF their own requirements were met during the game

[Formalhaut]

Activity levels fluctuate, and it isn't always a deliberate choice. To comment on myself, I was actually pretty quiet in the first half of this day due to work commitments (at least compared to how I normally operate, which is to post somewhat frequently).

Above all, I like to hear what people think. Because Mafia don't really need to think too hard. Just enough to look Town. Get people talking enough, and it becomes easier to sort out who's genuinely wracking their brains, and who's making just enough effort to coast along.

Not saying that Mafia can't, you know, dominate conversation and think up clever plans, but for me it is a question in the back of my mind.

[Citizen Bleys]

I think Bleys wants some of the purple people (not town or mafia) to say who they are because some of them can win if town wins and then you can like strike a deal so that they win as well as town winning

NOT TODAY. Only if we reach a non-LyLo situation with no redscum left

I find it funny that you say to people "oh one of the scum members have definitely read the archives" and then ask me to do homework on one of the previous games. Is prior research a scum-thing or a town-thing? I'm getting mixed signals.

Not definitely have -- may have. It is a very realistic expectation. I routinely check a player's recent game history on ms as both alignments. As town, it helps me read them and as scum it helps manipulate them.

Regardless, I did look at the Day One proceedings. Regarding commonality between Day One here and Day One there, he is more active in the archive game, particularly in the second half and contributes to some theories. This hasn't happened yet this game.

In terms of what that means? Hell if I know. I don't like looking at game history because it can lead you down some twisting roads. Laddy happened to be Mafia in the archive game. Does that mean an active Laddy is a scum Laddy? Who knows? It doesn't really tell us much. At the very least, examining just one archive game tells us squat. Way too small a sample size.

Not really sure what the point of this exercise is, if I'm honest. I feel like I'm being tested. The last time I was asked a direct question, I got voted for saying the correct answer (look it up!).

So the tl;dr version is that Laddy's activity level is null, n'est-ce pas?

We've not actually had a third-party yet in this new series of Mafia. I've never played a game (that I remember) which had third-parties. If I recall though, some moderators allow third-parties to 'win' alongside the main faction.

If a jester won Day One, that'd be a very short game, right?

I've played with and as third parties here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. (Username Belisarius) I've yet to see one where a third party win prevents town from winning, but that's the basis for my dislike of multiball games and my contention that third party is a bigger concern for scum than for town, especially early on. It's unnerving to be scum and have to worry about being NK'd anyways. In Profia, I still won, but it was a nailbiter due to the SK taking out my partner when we were steamrolling our way to victory.

I'm quite convinced that if redscum are wiped out, and we're left with town + jester + SK/Arsonist/Witch, and we lynch the jester, play will continue until either town or purplescum achieve a wincon, although the rules may be different here.

Some hosts/mods will answer questions from players if they can do so without violating neutrality, though:

@Host:If the jester is lynched, does the game end in a loss for all other players?

[Citizen Bleys]

Oops, that last link went to the signup thread, not the game thread, which is here